Otherwise, these imbalances will be experienced deeply and will certainly cause turmoil that is likely to result in life-changing events, such as, divorce. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. I think the fact that we’re both artists gave this aspect an outlet. It’s difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. That may mean leaving you behind. I had a relationship with someone, in our composite chart, we have a stellium in the 12th house – Sun, Juno, Venus and Uranus. But in its simplest form, it is about living well. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. Hi ame–Now we’re talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and that’s really too complicated a topic to go into here. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! I love him more than I’ve ever loved any man I knew immediately. We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3°) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2°. Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. I think this is SO true …. However, this puts a great deal of weight on the relationship, and makes its success or failure a centerpiece. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. The Inner Wheel Recommended Astrology Reading Lists, Crucible and the Wheel: The Transiting Nodes Series. I am at a point where I’m in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand what’s at the root of what led us to this point. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldn’t have done. (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extreme–and a choice. We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. Thanks! I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). With the composite moon here, you are seen by those people as a united couple with common goals and dreams. It’s also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. As you might already know, the moment you turn 11, 23, 35, 47, 59 and so on, you enter a 12th house profection year, which means a few things. Your comfort zone is found in genuine, self-expression. And what does it mean our 12th. I was heart broken all over again. It’s time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. It isn’t every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. Sorry, I can’t respond to lists of aspects. However, taking this too far can create a disconnect between you. North Node conjuncts Desc. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. Everyword’s pounding in me. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. It’s not special, it’s common. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. Unable to forget it? You will both be changed deeply by it. Meaning of the houses. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. so if the Composite Moon is … Only his Juipter is in the 12th, I have no planets there but also we both also have ceres and lilith in the 12th. The 12th is uniquely positioned on the horoscope wheel, coming as the last house, before the first begins again. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. Often, fearful of your vulnerability, you block awareness of your feelings; you seek refuge from your inner world in habitual activities which you may perform in an automatic manner. thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because it’s so true, so well said. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. Whether the energy between them manifests positively or negatively has to do with aspects to Pluto in both charts and aspects with the North Node rulers. I’m not exactly sure what our “future” holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! A position that makes each member of the couple feel connected without any real tangible reason, the twelfth-house composite sun creates a drive to constantly get to know the other person even better. Thanks Dawn! More generally speaking, the second house is about anything that you hold as valuable. Then we hurt each other. Neptune causes us to turn our ‘other’ into gods. It’s part of me. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. I’d appreciate any information. The house location of the composite moon shows what things you do as a couple to sooth yourselves and bring each other emotional support. It's your natural place together in the world and you put a great deal of effort and time into making it pleasant and comforting. Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, you’ll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. So the value of the relationship is felt emotionally. Together, you enjoy shopping and generally acquiring possessions. But thank you for helping me face reality. Composite Moon in the 12th House With the Composite Moon in the 12th house, you can have a hard time expressing your emotions with one another. I was wondering if you can tell me your thoughts on a leo rising composite with a large stellium RIGHT on the IC and 8th house moon….the stellium is partly in libra and partly in scorp even tho i know that sign doesn’t mean too much in a composite chart. The 12th house conjunction in Cancer indicates that there is a nurturing issue between you that needs resolving. Hi Whitelotus–I use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if it’s got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of. It has a slightly detached feel to it that focuses on seeing the big picture in life and viewing things on their grandest scale. The attraction was instant. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. Do you think that is true? (We’re married 16 years, and now we are old!) I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. What is the best approach? I noticed you don’t offer composite readings…. Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. Gilly. MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. Our composite mars is in cancer in the 12 house. It doesnt matter. It encompasses the housework, the meals, exercise, daily chores, the workplace, and caring for others because of obligation. hi dawn. I don’t want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. I’m trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off… formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that… (“If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. Thank you for this series of articles! (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. When you both highly value the relationship, you are both emotionally satisfied. I live in a kind of constant daydream /illusion of being near my “beloved ghost “……I know this is not truth , but I don’t know how I could do without. I knew we were home with each other immediately and was impatient to get on with it, maybe that’s the composite 6th house Aries moon, eh We married quickly and I was sent back to school to finish my degree which was by far a 6th house experience for me versus the traditional school is a 9th house thing. We tried to stop but we couldn’t be in the same room alone……I know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasn’t the same..or was it? Sun conj. After I read and then I re-read this was the conclusion – that I am more confused than before but more peaceful and more tolerant with my fate. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. It has been a very long journey! He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldn’t control ourselves). The crusading and visionary spirit gave way to tragedy when the violence inherent in this composite was unleashed, and JFK was assassinated for reasons that remain mysterious to this day (Scorpio, Pluto). The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. venus+mars, etc. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. Lovely article. When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. Having children is emotionally satisfying for both of you. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter aren’t enough to off set. We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. The fatedness of it all doesn’t make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. You find security in the idea that you somehow have deep roots together even if you met recently. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. where is very intense connection and I can feel things you’ve described but also I can see it as long term.. Could I ask Your opinion? thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! Thats for start. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. Your article is amazing! He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because there’s not much difference between now and when I was single. There is likely to be mutual respect for each other's dreams and wishes. My natal venus is in the 12 th house. Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? AstroSeek, Free Horoscopes and charts 2021 Astro-Seek.com Your emotional reaction to the world, other people, and new situations is highlighted when the composite moon is in the first house. Me and my friend have composite sun conj. Thank you, Tricia. Thank You so much for Your answer! The most watery and unformed of the houses, the twelfth house creates an atmosphere of confusion, misunderstandings, and deception. I can’t really comment without seeing the charts. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite … People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. In the worst, it causes emotional drama over who cares about the relationship more, or who is treating whom fairly. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. Im from a country in southamerica. I also have two stelliums in the 11th and 12th of my natal chart….a total of 8 planets (6 in Leo). I’m always attracted to those types of “relationships” You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (that’s what I gathered anyway). This is my take on signs that have two rulers–there is a higher expression and a lower expression of the sign’s energy. Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less “connected” to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. Hey Dawn! Our composite sun is in the 7 house. We have the ultimate intimacy side by side with the knowledge of ultimate separateness. Then you naturally support each other's values and find peace in knowing that you both share the same values. The 12th house doesn’t necessarily mean hidden. And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. You see the relationship as fun, and feel emotionally secure being yourself. I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). Free Online Astrology, Natal Birth Chart Meanings and Interpretations. If the fears aren’t dealt with (and the fears include loss of all kinds), it can get projected and the world itself can become the enemy. )~~~a reader with Sun in Neptune and Saturn and Mars both in 12th house. My eldest friend and me: Moon in Pisces in 12th house (Moon rules 5th house) her husband and her: Moon in Pisces in 12th house (Moon rulers IC) another friend and me: Jupiter Rx in the 7th in Leo. My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. 12th house Moon also seems to indicate a desire to support others or make events happen from behind the scenes (especially if the Moon is far from the Ascendant). (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.”) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as “just friends”, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? Mine is conjunct with his moon. hi dawn Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. I was with him longer than I’ve ever consecutively been with someone- 1 1/2 years. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but it’s not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. I remember it was curious from the beginning and I tried to find out some stuff about this before really involving with him. I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, it’s conjunct my Desc (orb -1°) which is an interaspect I can’t give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new “lilith matter”. hello, nice article Dawn. It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixing–it is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. Again, sadly, this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. how this would manifest? More appreciative of that special melding? Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. Mars and Pluto certainly do about Scorpio. Composite Moon in the 12th House With the Composite Moon in the 12th house, you can have a hard time expressing your emotions with one another. Planets in 12th House have traditionally been given a bad rep because of the seemingly difficult energies associated with the House of dreams, illusions, spirituality, karma and self-undoing in general. You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. ​Copyright © 2013-2021 southfloridaastrologer.com, How the Zodiac Signs Ruin their Relationships. The 12th house is the house of the hidden, and hides the energy of whatever is in it. And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. Am i trapping my self? One or two aspects, especially in composite, do not carry the story. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. You always try to look at the relationship from the outside, and leave personal judgement and emotion out of it, but the moon being the player here, it isn't always easy. It can feel as though you are on a ride through the universe together, jetting around in your own private couples' space ship. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. My daughter and I have a 12th house Sun-Moon conjunction (in Cancer) in our composite. This dynamic makes the relationship feel deep and gives feelings of belonging together. As the article says : “this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go”. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we can’t quite fathom the type of influence it wields–are we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. I have a nice syntrastry with my boyfriend (i’m born 8/1/1983 and he is born 10/7/1982). Most of it is illusions I know.. Sorry I can’t get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. Just not what I wanted to hear. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. This is brilliant and compassionate. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. Jupiter in the 12th House Meaning, Natal Birth Chart, Jupiter Astrology Free Interpretations. Thank you very much Dawn. The Autumn Schedule is Here! I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before it–it’s our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. This is a relaxed relationship that finds peace in being creative and having fun. The 7th house cusp (of any chart) is influenced by its long association with Libra, a sign known for its quest for balance. But someone who tells you they love you every day and tries to break up with you every month is clearly not. My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. cheers:). For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. Free Online Astrology, Natal Birth Chart Meanings and Interpretations. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partner’s planets–in a positive way, the partner can become a guide. We both have natal moon in house 12. Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. You explain the ineffable. When the progressed Moon entered Eric’s 12th house, his publishing company started to fail. We all find our gods where we can and must. Pisces Moon is only natural. Everything you said is so on point. We are fated, but we are meant to part. In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. It’s impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. COMPOSITE MOON IN THE SIGNS COMPOSITE MOON IN THE SIGNS. Our physical connection was addicting. Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? I am Sun in Aries, Asc in Leo and Moon in Aquarius, and he is Sun in Leo, Asc in Gemini and Moon in Leo. Thanks. We are both married similar age kids. On the one hand “We are meant to be…” on the other, “But if we are, why is it so hard?”, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesn’t know he or she exists. All this seems to confirm your analyses of the other composite houses, as well. Jupiter in 12th House - Seek and meet people born on the same date as you. Now, you can either say it’s karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person B’s chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. All that positive Saturn synastry for durablilty, moon conjunction, and all those personal planet oppositions make us feel like the same person sometimes. I often was a bit too demanding of her when it comes to intimacy and I wonder if this is about me learning to let go. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. During this time, we can find ourselves lonely, either because of circumstances or by our own need to be alone. As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. I’m sorry, but all of the aspects you mentioned can be used as excuses to pull you back into a relationship that has ended for the other person: in particular, the trines. My english is not very good. The sixth-house composite moon isn't flashy, romantic, or dramatic, but it is satisfying, which means a lot. Thanks so much Dawn. I knew someone with Uranus in the 12th house, I always felt like trapped inside this very conservative man was a rebel just dying to be released. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man I’m this connected to? The Composite 12th House symbolizes all that is hidden and repressed with in one another. He also has his venus in 12th house (but they are not conjunct). This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as you’re concerned.